ARNOLD SWARTSENEGGER, the perfekt US president dont you think so?
Some time we in europe are very confused over whats happend in US.
happy man
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Proof of adultery to get scriptural freedom
by scrubmaster ini am in a situation where my ex-wife left me.
i had survellaince done on her place by two members of my family.
this was done over a several month time frame.
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happy man
We have a case in our cong at the moment, the woman have sex widh a elder in the cong, and is on reprof, the man filld in fore divorce. In sweden we have a waiting time on 6 month before ´the devorce is setteld, and the commite have tell the innocennt man that he must be carfull widh be together widh unother woman, and dont go widh anyone alon in sevice fore exampel.
Now to the problem the woman on reprof meet unother man, who is widh here a lot of time, when the betrade man ask them if they can do like this, they say it is okey , if it is a grown person widh them, unbelvebel this is like when you was young and date someone.Problem number two is that the elders now that this man as now are togedher widh her, has been seen kissing her by her 12 year old children, the elders say it is not inaff, we can not count children as wittneses, scary?
One other thing, if you are in the same house togedher over night and dont tuch ech other, you can still be dfd, but if you rape a child it must be two indpendent wittneses, to prof it, can anyone explain this?
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What Makes You Read & Post On This Site?
by minimus inonce again, there's a lot of new people on this board as well as us "oldsters".
what was the original reason for you looking at this site and why did you make your first post?
and why do you stay here?
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well, I dont remeber why I came here, was on unother bord, as was changed so i dont come inn more, and then I find this, I now before this that internet give a vocie to the woicless.
You can find a lot of intresting information here,peopel who been in broklyn and can tell about exiting things.
I think this site have give mee answer on a lot of things as I questning , and some intresting persons, like JT, minimus, blondie, hillary steep, amazing, and so on.I tell my freinds in the cong about what is goning onover ther, you can imagen the surprise when i told them about the sexual abous in the org, nobody belive it, but then it come even here on TV, and they say how do you now this,
HM
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"the U.N." - it's effects on the witnesses
by gumby inin short......i am surprised of the organisations involvement with the u.n......had the damaging effect to the degree that it did......upon those who learned of it.. when the 'generation change' occured in 94', i thought there would be a bigger fallout.
when the voting issue happened, i thought it would cause quite a stir.
with "dateline" and "fifth estate" uncovering child molestation issue among jehovah's witnesses....i thought many would fall out.. what gets me is the amount , that were effected by the u.n. scandle.
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In Sweden nobody no anything about this, not even CO, what I undrerstand. I now one man as called the headqurter and ask, number two men ther say he now nothing and it must belies, but when he ask number one man he say, yes we was, but we are no more.
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Was Being A Jehovah's Witnesses A Bad Investment For You?
by minimus inyou could look at being a jw in a negative or somewhat positive way.
by that, i mean, for example---some say that had they not been witnesses, they are sure they'd be in jail today.
others might say, their whole lives were robbed of fun and money---simply because they filled their times as preachers and meeting attenders.
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Yes Minimus, so fare 2 high men have to leave in the cong, and now the newPO is talking about that we must have help from headqurter to calme down the cong, who is totaly in schook when they understand that the men as have lead them fore 50 years and was very high respekted men, was bigg sinners, even if they now say that they have done so much work in the organisaition so they now that Jehova have forgive them , as it says in Km 1972 okt . I think the bibel have a diffrent wuie, if you hide bad things even if it was long time ago, it is very bad, so they must in some way be very happy that I told this , even if they only was on reprof now they have a chance in HMG, I dont understnad why they treat mee like dirt
love from HM
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The Isaiah book?s?
by l3gi0n inwhat was the point of this book?
what did we learn?
we studied two books, 700+ pages, on the 66 chapters of isaiah, for 3 years, and what was learned?
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Blondie.
I think we are a few here who are waiting on your special studie of the isaiah book as you do widh the WT studie, intresting to see what you digg upp??
love HM
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Was Being A Jehovah's Witnesses A Bad Investment For You?
by minimus inyou could look at being a jw in a negative or somewhat positive way.
by that, i mean, for example---some say that had they not been witnesses, they are sure they'd be in jail today.
others might say, their whole lives were robbed of fun and money---simply because they filled their times as preachers and meeting attenders.
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happy man
I am one as have been in the truth from my childhood, grown upp on it, and still inn.
One thing who was very good was that as JW we go on diffrent assambleys, you meet a lot of peopel,where can you bee in charge over 100 persons when you are only 18, I was, inn som of this frree works on assamblies. marvelus expiriens.As a young man I also have speces to biig crowds , also an god thing fore you confidence,
I also travel a lot to US 69, 73, meet some wonnderful peopel, never foregret the black brother as give us someplace to sleep when it shoved upp we have no place to go.
I also meet my wife in the truth, and as a good jw SHE IS a blessing fore the man who get her, follow evry singel addvis from GB very careful, I must say, JW husbands must be some of the most happy in the word, beaucause ther wifs are traind to never go against ther husbands.
When I grow upp I never saw this back side od this religionas we see here, fore me it was radher good, because I was not so well treated in th so called word, in fackt I was very bad treated, and harassment was a evry day fight fore mee.
Then as young you have a feeling you was littel more important than other peopel, you was unusal, and even in schol i noticed that some was impresed that you havew the courage to bee diffrent.
I never lived this dobbel life i read about here, but I was never pionjering , always middel man, doing my 10-15 hours, in the sevrvice you also meet o lot of diffrent peopel thisd is also one wery good thing,it is very develloping fore your personality I think to do this, I think most JW as grow upp in the religion have the same expiriens.
But I was son off the PO so perhaps I was littel blessed from that.
What was bad, well from the begining nothing was bad, when you was young , perhaps it was a good protection fore me to be carefull widh girls, as a long tal sweed I and my freind was radher populare among sisters when we traveld to other countries, like US, we never take addvantige of that, perhaps now I regret this a bitt, hmmmmm.
So my life was blessed i some way, as JW, I am now well aware of the bad sides as I never saw before, now when I read here i see the backyards of our religion and it is not beautifull, so I do what I can to change it, have peopel in the cong to understand , and try to talk widh peopel even high upp as I now, about this abuse things, fore exampel, I have some sucsess in this, what I understand is that that almost evryone are aware of that here we are trapped i a difficult situaition, beaucause of GB positon and how they deal widh this .
I dont think you peopel here are aware of the bigg impackt this hade on comen JWs, when you talk in privat about this, almost evryone say this is a dissaster fore us and must change, so we hope if not, it can be our Watrelow.
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Saddam is traeppt TODAY
by happy man infrom diffrretn sourses they say saddam is taken today in the town tikrit, sounds as good news fore evrybody.
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happy man
From diffrretn sourses they say Saddam is taken today in the town Tikrit, sounds as good news fore evrybody.
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The Ideal Next WTBTS President Should Be..
by Englishman infidel castro?.
george bush senior?.
valis?.
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happy man
I wote fore HAPPY MAN, My program is this.
1.Nobody over 60 years age in the GB,
2."60 procent women inn the GB as it is in the organisation .
3.The only dfd things is things told in the bibel
4.Blood issu is bettwen you and Jehova
5.One new meeting about how to show love to evryone, out widh bookstudie.
6.Service on internet is one bigg issu fore next years.
7. All elders have to steep down, and one new Cong servant is elected from the memebers in the cong.
8. The eldersbook is out, and a new one are given to evrybody.
9 .If someone brook cong ruels , the cong must vote if he will be dfd,
10. All ekonimick things are going to be public, plus and minus posts will be showd, and also loss or profit.
11.evry bullding we now on are going to bee sold fore higest bidd all over the word.We then rent from the new oners.
12, the money some hugh billions dollars, will,be sent to pore JW all over the word, so the can have a disent life , NOW.
13. Nowan can be babtised before 30 years old,like Jesus.
14. Shunning peoepl fore they dont want to be JW is forbidden,love and care is the new tema.
Have I any chance?
Love HM
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WTS SAYS ELDERS SINS DON'T COUNT!
by Amazing insometime ago i posted a discussion on h20 about the nov. 1991 kingdom ministry school for elders / ms held at woodburn, oregon.
during that school session the co stated that elders who commit a serious sin, even a gross sin, did not have to be removed if the event took place two or three years prior, and the elder continued to be respected, giving evidence of jehovahs blessing.
the co stipulated that this only applied to elders and ms and not to regular publishers.
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HS, Amaizing
I have some info on this issu as is very uppdated, i now two elders as have been putt down fore not so long time ago,beaucause hidden sinns , someone tell after so long time as over 35 year, and they have to stepp down, both of this was most respekted, two of the most high men speaker on assamblyes and higest position in the cong.
oNE INTRESTING QESTION IS, WHAT TO DO WIDH ELDERS AS HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THE CONG, AND SOMEONE TELL THEY HAVE DONE BAD THINGS FORE OVER 30 YEARS AGO-
In the organisation bok it says on site 169 p 4, if someone have made a sinn years ago and he hide it he must be responsibal fore this, it is a sin to hide bad things.
Do you meen that someone can fore exampel abuse young girls and hide it, and under this time he seve as an alder he work widh giving reprof to others fore much smaler things and perhaps even dfd some, as in the case I now.
the result in this was the one have reprof, one have only to stepp down.
Fore me this was wery traumatic beaucuse I was hevy involvd , I think that even if it have gone a long time,you must have some form of punishment if you have made bigg sins, even if it is very old.
And stepping down is not a punishment or is it?
the text fore today is about this, ROm 2:21
If we have secret sinns we can not learn others or have the spitrite from Jehova.
So I think that if you done something and never tell it, you are more responsibal if you hide it a long time, and if some other tell this and you say yes, you must have some form of punishmet like reprof.
And i now what Amaizing say here is wrong, elders have to step down fore old sins, but perhaps they dont have any more punishment fore this, and this is a tricky qestion if it is fair.
On ouer assambly in the summer the leading man in sweden say about this media charges against us that we hide abusers, "we ofcuorse putt away siners as have done such terribel things as abuse children remeber we are so carefull so we dfd smokers, " ??????
love from HM